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welcome to shattered reality with their

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hosts Kate Valentine and furs prepare to

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have your paradigm shifted and your

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truths questioned and now really well

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hello everybody

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it's Kate Valentine and I'm firoozeh and

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we're very lucky today well we we have a

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few we had got a slate first oh oh sorry

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Scotty today is Tuesday October 11th oh

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it's true we have two and because we

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want to let people know that this is our

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38th podcast here we are going strong

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and we have today two very interesting

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things for our listeners we have the

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results of our contest to win the

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three-volume set of books by Lisette

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Larkins

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and we also have a fabulous guest now

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our guest whose name is Eva her comes

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from Georgia and she is the author of

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two wonderful books her first book is

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called agape and it is it is has already

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been out for a little while

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but her current book is consciousness

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bridging the gap between conventional

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science and the new super science of

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quantum mechanics now miss her had a

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radio show for quite a while wherein she

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interviewed new thinkers and people who

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were paradigm shifters just like our

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show and nurses and physicists and so

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her show right now is on sabbatical but

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it was a very excellent show and what

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this what this book is about it is

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transcripts of ten of the interviews

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with leading thinkers on the subject of

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what is consciousness

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that's a huge question it certainly is

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so let's feel like saying let's put our

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hands together and welcome me for her

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but that's of course what doesn't but

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please let's welcome Eva

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her and thank you so much for being with

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us yes thank you thank you for having me

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well I think what our first question

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would have been is that we were a sort

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of reading your biography and you were

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in the legal field which is a fair

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distance from where you are now we were

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wondering how you bridge that gap that's

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a really good question I the only thing

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I can tell you is when consciousness

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knocks at your door mm-hmm

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you either get the baseball on your shin

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the baseball bet on your shin or you go

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crazy okay and you know it was in front

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of my space and it was relentless and I

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didn't have any choice you know if

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there's one consciousness wants you to

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do something you pretty much don't have

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any choice but to do it okay now when

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you say something like consciousness it

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almost sounds as if you are referring to

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don't necessarily mean it like a

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universal sort of a voice like some yes

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something outside yourself anyway I

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choose these you know there are many

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definitions what is consciousness and

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that's one of the problems in the world

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today and just my personal definition

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ground of all being it's everything that

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energy that underlies everything that is

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original source whatever you want to

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call it you know that higher powerhouse

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that I don't like to use descriptive

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name words because I don't like to step

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on anybody's toes right well and it's

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you know what your meaning is and

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certainly something like conscious

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realm but in the medical realm as well

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it's almost impossible to define it and

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it's very difficult well you know that's

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the first well what I did let me just

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back up what I did is I had a friend who

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woman you know I'm a woman who had a

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very powerful spiritual epiphany

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much like Eckhart Tolle and I didn't I

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wasn't seeking it I didn't even know

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night and woke up different the next

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morning so I had this friend that was an

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metaphysics to the to astrophysics and

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would be what what is consciousness what

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is mind what's the difference between

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the two what's the difference between

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big Monde and little man how does how

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does one actually access big man what

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human beings what was the source of the

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original creator you know all of those

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work for the best of the best so I had

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research to the best of

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ability and so went out in the world and

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I found who I considered to be the most

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respected and credentialed physicist

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mostly physicists but a couple of

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biologists and a couple of medical

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doctors and I interviewed them and I

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asked them all the exact same questions

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and what I found out was astounding

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what what I also found out was the

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people that I thought really really knew

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didn't know what they were talking about

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and so I went I interviewed probably a

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hundred 150 people and I narrowed it

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made the cut 11 if you consider both

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both Richard Robert John and branded on

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as two different people which now just

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one I know was just branded on but it's

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written in the book as Robert John and

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Brenda Don so they're attended from

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people but can you hear me quite clearly

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this is far oh yeah by the way yeah I

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his name Roy Scruggs is it not Roy

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because he did a he did a very masterful

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job here with this how it all started

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area there so so you began to interview

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these people and you were very impressed

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you asked what is your definition of

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consciousness to each of them and that

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answer from people and so do you want to

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speak to that a little bit well it was

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very it made any anything you could

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Eva I think this is the single most

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important book that I've ever read and I

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said why and he said because I had no

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idea this was going on he was no wonder

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that we can't have a meeting of the

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minds in science we will never have a

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quantum leap in science as long as this

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problem exists and that problem is it

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somewhere to present their papers on

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know what is it to talk about their

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model of physical reality and and many

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times these these physicists get in huge

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now papers or thrown chairs or thrown so

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imagine you know let's just say 50

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science coming scientists coming to a

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round table and they're all talking

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everybody gets into a fight and that

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fight is because everybody is defining

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that word differently and no one knows

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it well it's true and so they're all

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talking about different things and they

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don't even know it well that goes so far

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democrates with the atom and then you

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certainly a personal definition but I

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truly defined you know well I think it

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is whatever it is that you're talking

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this moment I'm talking about the era

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that the energy at the irreducible Unova

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in other words that for before well

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whatever you want to call that thing

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physicists too because that may be some

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of the source of controversy because

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they sort of shrug off biology

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is actually quantum mechanics and the

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force that binds will enter the energy

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that binds all matter together so I

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would have to agree with you completely

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but even this businesses merg you bill

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tiller called me and he's like one of my

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greatest mentors you know he I'm just

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like such a fan and when he called I was

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just thrilled to say hello and even bill

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tiller I was thrilled I just knew he was

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going to come say what a great job you

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know any colony stood either there's

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bill tiller speaking ok I just want to

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let you know that I read your book and I

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hate it oh and it liked to destroy me I

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was actually on vacation when he called

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that Cracker Barrel having dinner and I

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said what do you mean you hate it bill

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and he goes well I said why do you hate

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it and he went because everybody doesn't

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say what I say oh and he said I now know

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that I can't retire Oh

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and so that was pretty much what he

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meant he didn't mean that he really

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hated my book he meant that he didn't

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realize that that problem had assisted

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so and there are many people like I'm

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not going to name any name I'll name one

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named bill pillar ok bill tiller had

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tried to talk with another one of the

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physicists who I believe he made the cut

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in the book I can't remember everybody

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that made the cut it's been a couple of

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years since I wrote that book I'm pretty

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sure that he did but they'll have been

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trying to reach that physicist to talk

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about models of physics and physical

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reality and that physicists would never

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call him back never over years he would

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eat us wouldn't respond at all so I said

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well you know what

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give me that tell me what you wanted to

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know and I'll at least make sure that he

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reads it so bill said okay so he wrote

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like this two-page letter will this big

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long letter because it was in an email I

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don't know how many pages it was so I

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sent it to this other physicist I said I

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read it mm-hmm so he read it silent so a

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few years later maybe not even a few

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years maybe a year I interviewed that

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physicist because he wrote a new book

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and lo and behold if that comfort if

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that letter from Bill tiller didn't

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instigate that new book that he was

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writing so when when I interviewed him I

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said why did you not respond to build

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tiller and he was like well you know he

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just kind of stumbled around but what if

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what it basically boils down to is

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that's how they get their grant money

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nobody wants to share because they've

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read somebody else is going to steal

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their idea when really that's what it's

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going to take to have a quantum leap in

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humanity in science is for them to talk

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and you know money just gets in the way

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well where would you imagine that

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quantum leap landing where do you think

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it's all gonna come come to I'm not sure

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supposing all the physicists did come to

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some conclusion and they really came to

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a definition of consciousness that

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everyone agreed upon that was actually

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true where what direction do you think

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science and I mean forget science your

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civilization in general would go to well

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I certainly I certainly suspect the

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potential of world peace in a clean

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world that would be knows if everybody

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really understood and they they do

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understand that when you interview them

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individually mm-hm

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they do understand what I'm about to

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tell you but for some reason they can't

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put it into perspective when they do

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their numbers okay you know do you

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believe that there is an irreducible

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unit of the atom

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yeah do you believe that that is a field

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or a wave well you know there's

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different opinions about that what about

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what it is but most people say that it's

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both a field in a way right well if that

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do you believe that there that matter

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really exists well no well what does

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that mean that means that we don't

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really what excuse me then I'll say do

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you believe that we live in a

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holographic environment well yeah well

341
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what does that mean that means that we

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don't really exist and that whatever is

343
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here it's all one thing and that thought

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must manipulate that thing

345
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well yeah but but but we're individual

346
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you know we're still individual and but

347
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you know they just can't get it I don't

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know why

349
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well actually I believe that it has to

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do with what I call gradients of

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consciousness that's the way you know if

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you have read David Hawkins book power

353
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versus forest

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I truly believe and it seems to be very

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evident to me that gradients and

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consciousness exist somebody on a and

357
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it's not bad or good it's like eight

358
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it's not bad to be five and it's not bad

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to be 50 it's just your five or your

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fifty you have more knowledge if you're

361
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fifty typically you know yeah hope so

362
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anyway but but real but not really

363
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because it depends on your gradient and

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consciousness where you fall where there

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does where does the state of of

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consciousness in other words the mind

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state effect that like if you're in an

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alpha state a beta state a gamma state

369
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at the beta state of consciousness how

370
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does that fit in there or does it let me

371
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think about that first again I think I

372
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don't know about the gamma somebody shut

373
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something I don't know about the gamma

374
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but I do know you know that low state is

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when you're in that meditative state but

376
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I think it's more about awareness you

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know how

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aware are you of who you really are are

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you are you primarily aware of your

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condition state you know the things that

381
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you're a parent do you know what you

382
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know because somebody told you or do you

383
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know what you know because you know it

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because you experienced it in some

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manner shape or form even if you

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experienced it on a in and it on an

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inner level as opposed to an outside

388
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world level in other words it's not

389
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about well the outside world certainly

390
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you know as as miss her was saying you

391
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know it depends on you gradient I was

392
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having this discussion with my father

393
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once really yeah yeah actually you know

394
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I was a little smart really just and you

395
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know we're all and he said to me yeah

396
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well let me tell you something the last

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time you stubbed your toe you said ouch

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and I think there was some reality there

399
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I said you know okay that was like again

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a gradient I mean he was very very

401
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material he was a wonderful bit but I

402
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mean when I say materialistic I mean he

403
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would not have he would have thought

404
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about this type of a thing but it was

405
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not his reality at all his reality was

406
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you know you put the key in the lock in

407
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the lock opens period it doesn't open

408
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because of good intentions or anything

409
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else that's just the way it is you have

410
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an infection you get some antibiotics

411
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you get better period yeah and that was

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his worldview mechanistic view of the

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universe and it worked very well for him

414
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too and it carried over to me a great

415
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deal as well but you know I haven't been

416
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exposed to people like yourself miss her

417
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I know I have to open up my eyes a

418
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little bit and say claw maybe there is a

419
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little bit more out there well I have to

420
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tell you something I am probably the

421
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most black-and-white person you'll ever

422
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meet

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well if you were a legal investigator

424
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there's gotta be something

425
00:20:14,020 --> 00:20:11,430
I'm so black-and-white but what I have

426
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you know what I have learned is like

427
00:20:24,640 --> 00:20:16,970
when I say gradients and consciousness

428
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take politics right now if you talk to a

429
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politician on either ticket it doesn't

430
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matter and you try to tell them your

431
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perspective about whatever it is that

432
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you think and you're on the opposite

433
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side will they listen no matter how no

434
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matter what good information that you

435
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give them and let's assume that your

436
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information is the best that it's

437
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completely credible about whatever it is

438
00:20:58,040 --> 00:20:54,540
okay and they absolutely refuse to hear

439
00:21:01,130 --> 00:20:58,050
it okay that would be a very low

440
00:21:03,220 --> 00:21:01,140
gradient of consciousness to me you feel

441
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like you're talking to a telephone pole

442
00:21:10,010 --> 00:21:05,850
and they feel like they're talking to a

443
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know-it-all okay it it it you know as as

444
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a person grows consciously they might

445
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say well you know maybe I ought to go

446
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let me think about that

447
00:21:28,640 --> 00:21:26,670
mm-hmm rather than a religion if you've

448
00:21:30,140 --> 00:21:28,650
ever talked to somebody in a fundamental

449
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religion and you're trying to tell them

450
00:21:35,480 --> 00:21:32,790
about oneness and quantum mechanics I

451
00:21:41,360 --> 00:21:35,490
got a new t-shirt recently it says

452
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science doesn't care what you think if

453
00:21:45,620 --> 00:21:43,830
you want to see that's a good science

454
00:21:48,740 --> 00:21:45,630
really doesn't care what you think and

455
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no matter what you tell them to oranges

456
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and to oranges as for oranges but

457
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they're going to argue with you that

458
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it's not mm-hmm

459
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because one orange is not fully ripened

460
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and it's not completely orange it's

461
00:22:02,000 --> 00:21:59,760
still a little bit green so you don't

462
00:22:03,500 --> 00:22:02,010
have four oranges they don't care you

463
00:22:05,480 --> 00:22:03,510
don't know what you're talking about so

464
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you're talking to a telephone pole and

465
00:22:11,210 --> 00:22:07,950
they're talking to a note off as you

466
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grow as a spiritual being those things

467
00:22:16,520 --> 00:22:14,310
change on how you know on Hawkins scale

468
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he uses zero because there are no words

469
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really to describe this so he uses zero

470
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to 100 102 101 to 200

471
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with a thousand being like the non-dual

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state and at certain places like around

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350 on that scale and people they say

474
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that people only grow about three points

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a lifetime

476
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however noetic sciences did a research

477
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project gosh it's been probably 10 years

478
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since I talked to them about this that

479
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they said that had more documented cases

480
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of spontaneous enlightenment in the

481
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early to mid 90s than ever before in the

482
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history of time isn't that interesting

483
00:23:01,500 --> 00:22:58,720
and you did actually speak to the

484
00:23:04,919 --> 00:23:01,510
gentleman who is involved with noetic

485
00:23:08,779 --> 00:23:04,929
science institute now somebody who we

486
00:23:13,590 --> 00:23:08,789
would love also to have on our program

487
00:23:16,470 --> 00:23:13,600
Dean Radin and and how did that how did

488
00:23:18,899 --> 00:23:16,480
that women but he was not the one who

489
00:23:21,120 --> 00:23:18,909
did that project it was Cassandra Beaton

490
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and another woman who I can't think of

491
00:23:26,279 --> 00:23:24,010
her name okay it was two women there but

492
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but that just goes to show that

493
00:23:31,049 --> 00:23:28,630
something's happening mm-hmm

494
00:23:33,389 --> 00:23:31,059
but anyway but when you get about it 350

495
00:23:37,350 --> 00:23:33,399
on that scale is when you start thinking

496
00:23:40,610 --> 00:23:37,360
I don't something's wrong with my belief

497
00:23:44,909 --> 00:23:40,620
system you know something is wrong

498
00:23:48,480 --> 00:23:44,919
there's a void in my life where I'm not

499
00:23:50,430 --> 00:23:48,490
sure that I believe those religious

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beliefs that were taught to me as a

501
00:23:56,580 --> 00:23:54,340
child you know I'm not I don't know what

502
00:23:59,130 --> 00:23:56,590
it is but something's not right quite

503
00:24:01,320 --> 00:23:59,140
right so you start seeking you read

504
00:24:07,200 --> 00:24:01,330
everything you can get your hands on

505
00:24:10,500 --> 00:24:07,210
about metaphysics you know about self

506
00:24:14,880 --> 00:24:10,510
self-help books and everything then when

507
00:24:16,980 --> 00:24:14,890
you get about 450 or 500 something

508
00:24:18,240 --> 00:24:16,990
happens you don't know what happens

509
00:24:21,210 --> 00:24:18,250
because it happens from the inside but

510
00:24:25,080 --> 00:24:21,220
just all of a sudden you go it's a huge

511
00:24:29,820 --> 00:24:25,090
aha moment oh my god I get it and you

512
00:24:32,130 --> 00:24:29,830
start feeling love to everybody like you

513
00:24:34,980 --> 00:24:32,140
like when I had my enlightenment

514
00:24:35,850 --> 00:24:34,990
experience which happened to be back in

515
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95

516
00:24:41,700 --> 00:24:39,220
when I woke up that next morning you

517
00:24:42,960 --> 00:24:41,710
know how do you have children or pet yes

518
00:24:45,360 --> 00:24:42,970
yes yes yes

519
00:24:46,950 --> 00:24:45,370
you know how when they're little you

520
00:24:49,710 --> 00:24:46,960
just love them so much you want to

521
00:24:52,759 --> 00:24:49,720
squeeze them I must do it hurt

522
00:24:55,710 --> 00:24:52,769
you're like a Golden Retriever puppy so

523
00:24:59,130 --> 00:24:55,720
that's the way I feel about everybody

524
00:25:02,490 --> 00:24:59,140
wow that's great what I can get angry at

525
00:25:05,850 --> 00:25:02,500
somebody but that doesn't mean that I

526
00:25:08,360 --> 00:25:05,860
don't love them that way well what was

527
00:25:11,310 --> 00:25:08,370
and that's a gradient in consciousness

528
00:25:13,379 --> 00:25:11,320
what was that was that that event that

529
00:25:18,210 --> 00:25:13,389
you talked about that brought about that

530
00:25:22,500 --> 00:25:18,220
epiphany yeah yeah yeah let's just say

531
00:25:25,639 --> 00:25:22,510
that we're speaking to her and let her

532
00:25:28,049 --> 00:25:25,649
talk just mention the names of her two

533
00:25:30,419 --> 00:25:28,059
existing books now Eva you would you

534
00:25:31,919 --> 00:25:30,429
mind just saying that for our audience

535
00:25:36,240 --> 00:25:31,929
so that they can go out and get your

536
00:25:39,360 --> 00:25:36,250
books my first book is called agape the

537
00:25:41,730 --> 00:25:39,370
intent of the soul and agape is a Greek

538
00:25:45,600 --> 00:25:41,740
word that means unconditional love for

539
00:25:48,299 --> 00:25:45,610
your fellow mankind in my second book is

540
00:25:50,669 --> 00:25:48,309
it oh and it's my story about what

541
00:25:52,259 --> 00:25:50,679
happened to me and how I came to know

542
00:25:55,200 --> 00:25:52,269
the things that I do because I wasn't

543
00:25:57,810 --> 00:25:55,210
always the way I promised I was the most

544
00:25:59,070 --> 00:25:57,820
materialist person narcissistic woman

545
00:26:01,129 --> 00:25:59,080
you've ever laid your eyes on you

546
00:26:06,090 --> 00:26:01,139
probably wouldn't have even liked me

547
00:26:07,860 --> 00:26:06,100
seriously and then my second but I

548
00:26:10,379 --> 00:26:07,870
wanted to know what the hell happened to

549
00:26:13,200 --> 00:26:10,389
me because it happened overnight and I

550
00:26:15,509 --> 00:26:13,210
was not looking for it I wanted to know

551
00:26:17,129 --> 00:26:15,519
what happened because I'm so black and

552
00:26:19,590 --> 00:26:17,139
white I just have to understand what

553
00:26:22,680 --> 00:26:19,600
happened okay and so that's when I

554
00:26:26,250 --> 00:26:22,690
started researching and finding all

555
00:26:29,279 --> 00:26:26,260
these physicists and asking them how was

556
00:26:31,529 --> 00:26:29,289
this a physiological event you know was

557
00:26:34,169 --> 00:26:31,539
it a psychological that what was it was

558
00:26:37,259 --> 00:26:34,179
it a dream you know what was it and

559
00:26:39,240 --> 00:26:37,269
that's when I found Edgar Mitchell and

560
00:26:40,710 --> 00:26:39,250
the same thing happened to Edgar

561
00:26:42,779 --> 00:26:40,720
Mitchell when he was coming back from

562
00:26:44,940 --> 00:26:42,789
the moon yes when he was coming you know

563
00:26:46,620 --> 00:26:44,950
he saw the moon and the earth and the

564
00:26:48,600 --> 00:26:46,630
distance the size of the Nicklin he was

565
00:26:49,539 --> 00:26:48,610
like I'm not God and everything that I

566
00:26:53,619 --> 00:26:49,549
know is on

567
00:26:56,200 --> 00:26:53,629
Nicoll reporter Ashley but he was he was

568
00:26:58,840 --> 00:26:56,210
a wonderful man and we all mourn his

569
00:27:01,869 --> 00:26:58,850
loss I had the pleasure of meeting him

570
00:27:04,450 --> 00:27:01,879
one afternoon in New York City and

571
00:27:06,310 --> 00:27:04,460
having a conversation with him which is

572
00:27:09,369 --> 00:27:06,320
one of the most memorable conversations

573
00:27:11,229 --> 00:27:09,379
of my life so I'm with you on that but

574
00:27:13,690 --> 00:27:11,239
you were right he felt that at that

575
00:27:20,080 --> 00:27:13,700
moment of his epiphany that everything

576
00:27:22,210 --> 00:27:20,090
was one he his moment of Epiphany I

577
00:27:26,470 --> 00:27:22,220
think was he realized that everything

578
00:27:29,349 --> 00:27:26,480
was one yes and and and and from my

579
00:27:30,940 --> 00:27:29,359
perspective people say have you read

580
00:27:32,229 --> 00:27:30,950
this book have you read that book have

581
00:27:34,810 --> 00:27:32,239
you read this book have you heard this

582
00:27:36,249 --> 00:27:34,820
person I don't know I don't need to read

583
00:27:40,479 --> 00:27:36,259
their book or hear their story there's

584
00:27:42,789 --> 00:27:40,489
only one story every single person that

585
00:27:46,180 --> 00:27:42,799
I've ever interviewed and it's been

586
00:27:49,239 --> 00:27:46,190
hundreds mm-hm and I asked them that

587
00:27:52,389 --> 00:27:49,249
question it's all the same there's only

588
00:27:54,669 --> 00:27:52,399
one it doesn't matter how you get there

589
00:27:58,840 --> 00:27:54,679
that you know the road may be different

590
00:28:00,970 --> 00:27:58,850
that the destination is the same from

591
00:28:03,810 --> 00:28:00,980
what I've found and I've talked to

592
00:28:06,669 --> 00:28:03,820
hundreds of people about this you know

593
00:28:10,749 --> 00:28:06,679
do you feel like a mission in your life

594
00:28:13,599 --> 00:28:10,759
that you have to bring that epiphany to

595
00:28:15,940 --> 00:28:13,609
other people at the very beginning when

596
00:28:18,700 --> 00:28:15,950
it first happened I was a woman on a

597
00:28:20,590 --> 00:28:18,710
mission okay I thought I could if I

598
00:28:21,340 --> 00:28:20,600
could just tell these people I can save

599
00:28:24,460 --> 00:28:21,350
the world

600
00:28:26,320 --> 00:28:24,470
mm-hmm but then I realized that people

601
00:28:27,879 --> 00:28:26,330
thought I was crazy I thought I was

602
00:28:30,220 --> 00:28:27,889
crazy because I didn't know where it

603
00:28:33,729 --> 00:28:30,230
came from and then I checked myself into

604
00:28:34,989 --> 00:28:33,739
a mental hospital really yes because I

605
00:28:36,940 --> 00:28:34,999
didn't know where it came from and I

606
00:28:39,430 --> 00:28:36,950
wasn't looking for I mean I just woke up

607
00:28:42,609 --> 00:28:39,440
and here I have it's like somebody took

608
00:28:44,950 --> 00:28:42,619
volumes and volumes let me put it this

609
00:28:46,629 --> 00:28:44,960
way I didn't take visit I made straight

610
00:28:48,070 --> 00:28:46,639
A's in high school but I didn't take

611
00:28:50,489 --> 00:28:48,080
physics because I didn't want to have an

612
00:28:52,899 --> 00:28:50,499
F on my report card

613
00:28:55,419 --> 00:28:52,909
okay that's until I have my gen you

614
00:28:58,330 --> 00:28:55,429
about physics where now I can talk I can

615
00:29:00,009 --> 00:28:58,340
talk a physicist down okay you know I

616
00:29:02,590 --> 00:29:00,019
can't talk numbers but I can talk

617
00:29:03,340 --> 00:29:02,600
theories and it came from somewhere and

618
00:29:06,640 --> 00:29:03,350
I also

619
00:29:09,159 --> 00:29:06,650
woke up profoundly psychic I can tell

620
00:29:11,890 --> 00:29:09,169
you your help for the next 20 years

621
00:29:13,510 --> 00:29:11,900
hmm I can give you suddle symptoms that

622
00:29:15,909 --> 00:29:13,520
you're having right now that you don't

623
00:29:19,180 --> 00:29:15,919
even realize as a symptom now where did

624
00:29:20,650 --> 00:29:19,190
that come from and I woke up knowing

625
00:29:23,200 --> 00:29:20,660
people I woke up knowing dannion

626
00:29:25,120 --> 00:29:23,210
brinkley Raymond Mooney Norm's Schiele

627
00:29:28,120 --> 00:29:25,130
and Carolyn mace just like I know myself

628
00:29:31,419 --> 00:29:28,130
no and I've never heard of them before

629
00:29:33,549 --> 00:29:31,429
Wow Raymond Raymond turned out to live

630
00:29:34,590 --> 00:29:33,559
on the same road as my grandmother in

631
00:29:37,419 --> 00:29:34,600
Alabama

632
00:29:39,159 --> 00:29:37,429
Danya and I was standing in a hotel up

633
00:29:40,899 --> 00:29:39,169
in Charlotte North Carolina that

634
00:29:43,570 --> 00:29:40,909
checking in about 1 or 2 o'clock in the

635
00:29:45,310 --> 00:29:43,580
morning I don't remember and nobody was

636
00:29:47,340 --> 00:29:45,320
there you know it was dark not went in

637
00:29:49,960 --> 00:29:47,350
to check in with my little girl and

638
00:29:51,549 --> 00:29:49,970
somebody came up behind me and tapped me

639
00:29:54,010 --> 00:29:51,559
on the shoulder and leaned over in my

640
00:29:55,870 --> 00:29:54,020
ear and said we've known each other for

641
00:30:00,880 --> 00:29:55,880
millenniums I jerked around I thought

642
00:30:02,649 --> 00:30:00,890
some nut had followed me and turned

643
00:30:04,870 --> 00:30:02,659
around and it was dannion and now

644
00:30:08,230 --> 00:30:04,880
dannion and and cat are my kids

645
00:30:11,140 --> 00:30:08,240
godparents that's you know and norm

646
00:30:14,680 --> 00:30:11,150
I met at Council Grove and that's so

647
00:30:17,500 --> 00:30:14,690
interesting the same man introduced me

648
00:30:21,880 --> 00:30:17,510
at the council Grove meeting that

649
00:30:24,820 --> 00:30:21,890
introduced Caroline to norm Wow 20 years

650
00:30:25,870 --> 00:30:24,830
later or however many years later you

651
00:30:27,880 --> 00:30:25,880
know and what's the likelihood of

652
00:30:30,730 --> 00:30:27,890
somebody even going to Council Grove

653
00:30:33,490 --> 00:30:30,740
much less having that happen I don't I

654
00:30:35,580 --> 00:30:33,500
don't know but I was very happy to make

655
00:30:39,130 --> 00:30:35,590
his acquaintance at the Monroe Institute

656
00:30:41,130 --> 00:30:39,140
recently this past year norm chili was

657
00:30:43,630 --> 00:30:41,140
there in the Professional Division

658
00:30:46,480 --> 00:30:43,640
meeting and what a wonderful man he is

659
00:30:49,180 --> 00:30:46,490
he is my mentor I'm telling you and I

660
00:30:51,070 --> 00:30:49,190
need something I wanted my kid was

661
00:30:53,770 --> 00:30:51,080
giving me problems eating and I called

662
00:30:56,260 --> 00:30:53,780
enough norm so you know what I do my

663
00:30:58,870 --> 00:30:56,270
kids fights me because I eat organic and

664
00:31:01,510 --> 00:30:58,880
a free-range and gressman and my kid

665
00:31:03,909 --> 00:31:01,520
just won't do so then your your child

666
00:31:05,350 --> 00:31:03,919
and started to eat norm helps no no one

667
00:31:07,510 --> 00:31:05,360
just said you know that's the problem

668
00:31:11,830 --> 00:31:07,520
that's the self that you wanna meet what

669
00:31:14,590 --> 00:31:11,840
do you want to eat I think you to change

670
00:31:16,570 --> 00:31:14,600
your life and it's it you can you can

671
00:31:17,230 --> 00:31:16,580
point things out to people which are

672
00:31:20,350 --> 00:31:17,240
true

673
00:31:22,630 --> 00:31:20,360
about them about they can ask you for

674
00:31:24,399 --> 00:31:22,640
advice or help but if they don't have

675
00:31:26,919 --> 00:31:24,409
the desire to make the change just

676
00:31:29,110 --> 00:31:26,929
talking to that telephone pole you

677
00:31:32,500 --> 00:31:29,120
mentioned before that's right so how

678
00:31:34,510 --> 00:31:32,510
long do we have on here good question I

679
00:31:36,669 --> 00:31:34,520
don't know why did you want to bring

680
00:31:38,980 --> 00:31:36,679
something up in particular some things

681
00:31:42,220 --> 00:31:38,990
that I wanted to make sure about before

682
00:31:45,490 --> 00:31:42,230
we end I wanted to talk about intention

683
00:31:46,299 --> 00:31:45,500
and prayer which to me or synonymous

684
00:31:49,960 --> 00:31:46,309
okay

685
00:31:51,639 --> 00:31:49,970
many people say you know they all want

686
00:31:53,139 --> 00:31:51,649
to pray about whatever it is that they

687
00:31:55,779 --> 00:31:53,149
want to pray about and I just want to

688
00:31:58,419 --> 00:31:55,789
make sure that people know if you're

689
00:32:01,779 --> 00:31:58,429
trying to accomplish something with

690
00:32:04,450 --> 00:32:01,789
prayer Dean Radin told me something one

691
00:32:07,450 --> 00:32:04,460
time that really made a lot of sense you

692
00:32:09,669 --> 00:32:07,460
said either imagine that you have a pond

693
00:32:11,889 --> 00:32:09,679
and you want to get all the water out so

694
00:32:13,299 --> 00:32:11,899
that's your goal that's your intention

695
00:32:15,880 --> 00:32:13,309
that's the thing that you want to pray

696
00:32:17,980 --> 00:32:15,890
about so you got a hundred people and

697
00:32:19,659 --> 00:32:17,990
you're all standing around that pond and

698
00:32:22,480 --> 00:32:19,669
you're starting to pray about getting

699
00:32:24,909 --> 00:32:22,490
the water out so everybody's saying

700
00:32:27,279 --> 00:32:24,919
their own prayers which would be

701
00:32:28,899 --> 00:32:27,289
equivalent of everybody picking up a

702
00:32:32,110 --> 00:32:28,909
little rock and throwing it in and

703
00:32:34,389 --> 00:32:32,120
hoping to splash the water out it's not

704
00:32:36,250 --> 00:32:34,399
going to happen so if you really want to

705
00:32:37,840 --> 00:32:36,260
get the water out what you have to do is

706
00:32:40,330 --> 00:32:37,850
you have to get all the people on the

707
00:32:44,380 --> 00:32:40,340
same page everybody needs to get a

708
00:32:47,590 --> 00:32:44,390
pebble the exact same size there's that

709
00:32:50,919 --> 00:32:47,600
same shape the exact same weight and

710
00:32:55,990 --> 00:32:50,929
they have to throw it into the pond at

711
00:32:59,320 --> 00:32:56,000
the exact same moment that way it it's

712
00:33:01,720 --> 00:32:59,330
more it's more like one giant boulder

713
00:33:04,690 --> 00:33:01,730
and all the water will splash out in

714
00:33:06,279 --> 00:33:04,700
other words I've gone to church before

715
00:33:10,000 --> 00:33:06,289
and I hear the people pray and they pray

716
00:33:12,340 --> 00:33:10,010
for 20 minutes you know about all over

717
00:33:17,820 --> 00:33:12,350
the place if you wanted to say a prayer

718
00:33:23,380 --> 00:33:17,830
that I will be done the single most

719
00:33:27,039 --> 00:33:23,390
focused prayer you can get is thy will

720
00:33:31,020 --> 00:33:27,049
be done if everybody's praying that same

721
00:33:33,270 --> 00:33:31,030
thing she is healed or I'm healed or

722
00:33:35,970 --> 00:33:33,280
that will be that will be done has the

723
00:33:37,350 --> 00:33:35,980
highest intention for the thing to

724
00:33:39,720 --> 00:33:37,360
happen so I just wanted to talk about

725
00:33:41,460 --> 00:33:39,730
that because you know it's important if

726
00:33:44,640 --> 00:33:41,470
you're trying to accomplish something

727
00:33:46,680 --> 00:33:44,650
with prayer you're more like if it's

728
00:33:48,240 --> 00:33:46,690
within your field of possibilities to

729
00:33:51,600 --> 00:33:48,250
happen because it's not always

730
00:33:53,220 --> 00:33:51,610
everybody's gonna die you know there's

731
00:33:55,160 --> 00:33:53,230
always going to be that things but if

732
00:33:57,870 --> 00:33:55,170
it's within your field of possibilities

733
00:34:00,150 --> 00:33:57,880
that's the most likely way to get it to

734
00:34:03,390 --> 00:34:00,160
happen so you're sort of acquainting

735
00:34:06,300 --> 00:34:03,400
prayer with intention or intent it's the

736
00:34:08,790 --> 00:34:06,310
exact same thing okay well and I think

737
00:34:11,550 --> 00:34:08,800
it's easier for a lot of people to

738
00:34:14,130 --> 00:34:11,560
accept intent or intention because

739
00:34:17,100 --> 00:34:14,140
prayer carries with it you know some of

740
00:34:19,800 --> 00:34:17,110
the legend yeah an organized religion

741
00:34:23,700 --> 00:34:19,810
and penalties for not praying and which

742
00:34:26,760 --> 00:34:23,710
is sort of not fundamental the

743
00:34:30,270 --> 00:34:26,770
fundamentalist will accept intention but

744
00:34:33,510 --> 00:34:30,280
some people want it set prayer the use

745
00:34:37,020 --> 00:34:33,520
of those words so just use that word I

746
00:34:39,030 --> 00:34:37,030
was just I was just going to say that it

747
00:34:43,020 --> 00:34:39,040
is interesting that there have been some

748
00:34:47,580 --> 00:34:43,030
studies done that indicate that you can

749
00:34:51,480 --> 00:34:47,590
change things approximately 6% by your

750
00:34:54,440 --> 00:34:51,490
intention however if say Kate and I

751
00:34:59,070 --> 00:34:54,450
firoozeh were to intend the same thing

752
00:35:01,950 --> 00:34:59,080
in a you know contemporaneous way it ups

753
00:35:05,310 --> 00:35:01,960
the ante so to speak and it may go

754
00:35:07,860 --> 00:35:05,320
anywhere from 10 to 14 percent as a

755
00:35:11,160 --> 00:35:07,870
result of that tipping the scales

756
00:35:16,070 --> 00:35:11,170
towards our intention that's just what

757
00:35:20,790 --> 00:35:16,080
I've read in terms of the experimental

758
00:35:23,160 --> 00:35:20,800
models well I do know that you know bill

759
00:35:26,880 --> 00:35:23,170
tiller built that intention unit are you

760
00:35:28,410 --> 00:35:26,890
familiar with that no no well he built

761
00:35:31,620 --> 00:35:28,420
this little black box

762
00:35:33,690 --> 00:35:31,630
mm-hm and I believe if I'm not mistaken

763
00:35:36,300 --> 00:35:33,700
and I could be but I don't believe I am

764
00:35:38,990 --> 00:35:36,310
it's just been a while that he used

765
00:35:42,900 --> 00:35:39,000
magnetic monopoles to build it and

766
00:35:44,790 --> 00:35:42,910
Biddle and his wife and norm and his

767
00:35:48,210 --> 00:35:44,800
wife meditated

768
00:35:50,940 --> 00:35:48,220
placed an intention in that box and the

769
00:35:53,940 --> 00:35:50,950
intention was for this particular time

770
00:35:57,840 --> 00:35:53,950
that I'm talking about they had got a

771
00:36:00,240 --> 00:35:57,850
water company to donate lots of cases of

772
00:36:03,630 --> 00:36:00,250
water and sent them to laboratories

773
00:36:05,280 --> 00:36:03,640
around the world the reason they got it

774
00:36:07,080 --> 00:36:05,290
donated because I didn't want anybody to

775
00:36:11,700 --> 00:36:07,090
think that they tampered with the water

776
00:36:13,530 --> 00:36:11,710
I so so the four of them meditated and

777
00:36:17,790 --> 00:36:13,540
placed an intention in the water that

778
00:36:20,670 --> 00:36:17,800
the pH in that water would increase I

779
00:36:22,830 --> 00:36:20,680
can't even remember how much it was well

780
00:36:25,140 --> 00:36:22,840
let's just say I think by three points I

781
00:36:27,780 --> 00:36:25,150
think by three points okay I don't know

782
00:36:33,030 --> 00:36:27,790
could be one point but anyway a few

783
00:36:36,900 --> 00:36:33,040
points okay mm-hm and that exact same

784
00:36:39,620 --> 00:36:36,910
happened within three days all of the

785
00:36:42,330 --> 00:36:39,630
the pH and all of those bottles of water

786
00:36:43,980 --> 00:36:42,340
increased let's just say one point

787
00:36:46,050 --> 00:36:43,990
because I really can't remember about

788
00:36:50,220 --> 00:36:46,060
one point do you know how significant

789
00:36:52,290 --> 00:36:50,230
that is yeah all right your pH can

790
00:36:54,690 --> 00:36:52,300
change I mean that could kill you yeah

791
00:36:58,190 --> 00:36:54,700
yeah lutely and so then then they did

792
00:37:00,900 --> 00:36:58,200
the same thing and brought it back down

793
00:37:03,660 --> 00:37:00,910
and then they did it another time with

794
00:37:07,370 --> 00:37:03,670
fruit fly larvae they accelerated the

795
00:37:10,710 --> 00:37:07,380
growth of fruit fly larvae about 25%

796
00:37:12,990 --> 00:37:10,720
deaths what's thought now now this is

797
00:37:16,770 --> 00:37:13,000
extremely interesting but also

798
00:37:22,500 --> 00:37:16,780
interesting is the use of these magnetic

799
00:37:28,220 --> 00:37:22,510
monopoles which are reported strangely

800
00:37:31,350 --> 00:37:28,230
in in issues surrounding UFOs that the

801
00:37:34,500 --> 00:37:31,360
metallic elements that have been beamed

802
00:37:36,810 --> 00:37:34,510
by UFOs like the hood of your car or

803
00:37:39,660 --> 00:37:36,820
something like that turns into a

804
00:37:43,140 --> 00:37:39,670
magnetic monopole it's been reported so

805
00:37:45,480 --> 00:37:43,150
I have to express the fact that I don't

806
00:37:48,270 --> 00:37:45,490
really understand in terms of physics

807
00:37:51,870 --> 00:37:48,280
what a magnetic monopole is and how it

808
00:37:54,450 --> 00:37:51,880
is created I don't either but I believe

809
00:37:56,730 --> 00:37:54,460
I really don't okay

810
00:37:58,660 --> 00:37:56,740
understand that but I think that it has

811
00:38:00,940 --> 00:37:58,670
something to do with energy going

812
00:38:02,800 --> 00:38:00,950
back and forth at the same time but I

813
00:38:05,200 --> 00:38:02,810
don't really know honestly I really

814
00:38:08,010 --> 00:38:05,210
don't know so you can't rely on what I'm

815
00:38:10,630 --> 00:38:08,020
saying right there okay I just know that

816
00:38:15,730 --> 00:38:10,640
scientists around the world dispute that

817
00:38:17,500 --> 00:38:15,740
they even exist yeah I think that's so

818
00:38:19,390 --> 00:38:17,510
that's that's your primary thing this

819
00:38:21,070 --> 00:38:19,400
intent and then what was the second

820
00:38:22,810 --> 00:38:21,080
thing that you wanted to discuss the

821
00:38:24,090 --> 00:38:22,820
other thing I wanted to talk about was

822
00:38:27,220 --> 00:38:24,100
freewill

823
00:38:30,160 --> 00:38:27,230
everybody I talked to oh I have complete

824
00:38:33,130 --> 00:38:30,170
free will complete that's a very sticky

825
00:38:36,150 --> 00:38:33,140
subject no and we I want to make it very

826
00:38:39,490 --> 00:38:36,160
clear we do not have complete free will

827
00:38:41,770 --> 00:38:39,500
not we have will not complete

828
00:38:45,790 --> 00:38:41,780
no not complete okay but to some extent

829
00:38:47,650 --> 00:38:45,800
to some extent we have will that we can

830
00:38:50,890 --> 00:38:47,660
say raise your right arm and you can

831
00:38:54,430 --> 00:38:50,900
raise your right arm okay but if we had

832
00:38:57,310 --> 00:38:54,440
come free will is different if we had

833
00:38:59,620 --> 00:38:57,320
free complete free will it's kind of a

834
00:39:02,560 --> 00:38:59,630
catchy thing there yeah that kind of a

835
00:39:05,260 --> 00:39:02,570
trick question if we have complete free

836
00:39:07,840 --> 00:39:05,270
will would you ever lose your child to

837
00:39:10,090 --> 00:39:07,850
death before you oh god no no would you

838
00:39:12,280 --> 00:39:10,100
ever have cancer would you break down

839
00:39:14,740 --> 00:39:12,290
would you have a flat tire in the middle

840
00:39:17,410 --> 00:39:14,750
of I don't know where you live but I

841
00:39:27,220 --> 00:39:17,420
live in Atlanta in the middle of 285 at

842
00:39:28,870 --> 00:39:27,230
5 o'clock no but what I tell a little

843
00:39:31,390 --> 00:39:28,880
story I imagine that you're a

844
00:39:33,790 --> 00:39:31,400
two-year-old and you're strapped in the

845
00:39:35,320 --> 00:39:33,800
back seat in a car seat and it's got a

846
00:39:37,660 --> 00:39:35,330
little yellow steering wheel you ever

847
00:39:41,080 --> 00:39:37,670
seen those things yeah oh yeah yeah and

848
00:39:42,760 --> 00:39:41,090
so you you really believe at two years

849
00:39:47,080 --> 00:39:42,770
old that your steering wheel is driving

850
00:39:48,640 --> 00:39:47,090
that car okay good good and so you pull

851
00:39:50,260 --> 00:39:48,650
up to a four-way stop and the

852
00:39:52,090 --> 00:39:50,270
playgrounds on the right and your

853
00:39:54,670 --> 00:39:52,100
grocery store is on the left and their

854
00:39:59,590 --> 00:39:54,680
higher power and the stigma that your

855
00:40:01,030 --> 00:39:59,600
mom most likely you start getting a soda

856
00:40:02,260 --> 00:40:01,040
I'm going to the playground today I'm

857
00:40:04,180 --> 00:40:02,270
going to the playground today and she's

858
00:40:06,700 --> 00:40:04,190
like no sorry we're going to the grocery

859
00:40:09,040 --> 00:40:06,710
store and you get mad and you start

860
00:40:11,410 --> 00:40:09,050
turning that steering wheel what's gonna

861
00:40:12,580 --> 00:40:11,420
happen nothing you go into the grocery

862
00:40:14,860 --> 00:40:12,590
store

863
00:40:16,450 --> 00:40:14,870
so you pick up spit and you kick the

864
00:40:19,000 --> 00:40:16,460
back of this thing you start screaming

865
00:40:20,530 --> 00:40:19,010
and at this point if I'm your mom I'm

866
00:40:21,850 --> 00:40:20,540
gonna stop the car and I'm going to run

867
00:40:24,940 --> 00:40:21,860
down in the bushes I'm going to get a

868
00:40:32,050 --> 00:40:24,950
switch number put your legs what your

869
00:40:35,680 --> 00:40:32,060
free will really is is to okay I'm going

870
00:40:39,220 --> 00:40:35,690
to the playground another day okay that

871
00:40:41,080 --> 00:40:39,230
is your complete free will so we do have

872
00:40:43,080 --> 00:40:41,090
complete free will but that complete

873
00:40:47,590 --> 00:40:43,090
free will is not what you think it is

874
00:40:49,750 --> 00:40:47,600
it's it's how you respond to what's in

875
00:40:51,910 --> 00:40:49,760
front of your face that's how do you

876
00:40:54,490 --> 00:40:51,920
choose to respond it's a very powerful

877
00:40:58,600 --> 00:40:54,500
thing it's a great analogy - I like it

878
00:41:01,750 --> 00:40:58,610
that is very good I I always tell my

879
00:41:03,310 --> 00:41:01,760
clients that you know they they can

880
00:41:05,500 --> 00:41:03,320
there's certain things that are free

881
00:41:09,430 --> 00:41:05,510
will and there are certain things that

882
00:41:10,990 --> 00:41:09,440
are faded and you you just have to find

883
00:41:13,090 --> 00:41:11,000
out the difference between them it's

884
00:41:16,060 --> 00:41:13,100
probably free will whether you eat

885
00:41:17,530 --> 00:41:16,070
Italian food or Chinese food tonight but

886
00:41:19,360 --> 00:41:17,540
if you happen to get on that wrong

887
00:41:20,980 --> 00:41:19,370
airplane that just happens to be going

888
00:41:23,140 --> 00:41:20,990
down then it's fate

889
00:41:25,300 --> 00:41:23,150
our intent here was to bring up your

890
00:41:27,700 --> 00:41:25,310
intent and oh you've certainly done that

891
00:41:29,800 --> 00:41:27,710
and especially through your books that

892
00:41:32,200 --> 00:41:29,810
we appreciate you so much being with us

893
00:41:34,000 --> 00:41:32,210
and yes thank you very very much for

894
00:41:36,490 --> 00:41:34,010
being an efficient shot of reality but

895
00:41:37,260 --> 00:41:36,500
we have to notice the book titles again

896
00:41:41,080 --> 00:41:37,270
yes go ahead

897
00:41:42,970 --> 00:41:41,090
it got paid the intent of the soul and

898
00:41:44,890 --> 00:41:42,980
consciousness bridging the gap between

899
00:41:47,770 --> 00:41:44,900
conventional science for the new science

900
00:41:50,740 --> 00:41:47,780
of fun mechanics and I am honored to be

901
00:41:53,020 --> 00:41:50,750
here thank you for having me Oh pleasure

902
00:41:56,280 --> 00:41:53,030
truly thank you so much as such great

903
00:42:00,850 --> 00:41:56,290
information thank you bye for now okay I

904
00:42:02,800 --> 00:42:00,860
have a good one okay well that was

905
00:42:05,950 --> 00:42:02,810
really interesting yeah she did a

906
00:42:08,290 --> 00:42:05,960
wonderful job I'd say what we have now

907
00:42:11,920 --> 00:42:08,300
is a special treat for listen do you

908
00:42:13,990 --> 00:42:11,930
want a drumroll did you announce the

909
00:42:16,030 --> 00:42:14,000
winners well what we're gonna do is

910
00:42:20,800 --> 00:42:16,040
we're gonna read some of our comments

911
00:42:23,590 --> 00:42:20,810
and then okay I think that's great so um

912
00:42:26,410 --> 00:42:23,600
do you do you want to start no no please

913
00:42:29,470 --> 00:42:26,420
go right ahead okay Providence

914
00:42:32,109 --> 00:42:29,480
says thank you so much Ferruccio and

915
00:42:35,079 --> 00:42:32,119
Kate for this podcast I've never read

916
00:42:38,109 --> 00:42:35,089
any of Lisette Larkins books but

917
00:42:41,109 --> 00:42:38,119
listening to this podcast and others has

918
00:42:43,059 --> 00:42:41,119
broadened the aperture I view this level

919
00:42:45,549 --> 00:42:43,069
of consciousness through again

920
00:42:48,400 --> 00:42:45,559
consciousness yeah it just keeps going

921
00:42:50,799 --> 00:42:48,410
back to that and so you know I'm not

922
00:42:53,589 --> 00:42:50,809
gonna read my replies I manage the

923
00:42:55,539 --> 00:42:53,599
mailing list most of the time okay but

924
00:42:58,180 --> 00:42:55,549
then do you want to go on with Kinney

925
00:43:01,059 --> 00:42:58,190
okay cuz that's short this is good and

926
00:43:03,160 --> 00:43:01,069
it says great podcast I am fascinated by

927
00:43:05,980 --> 00:43:03,170
your excellent guests for example like

928
00:43:08,400 --> 00:43:05,990
just such as today yes great please have

929
00:43:11,260 --> 00:43:08,410
someone on about forbidden archeology

930
00:43:14,380 --> 00:43:11,270
Kenny I would love to that is such a

931
00:43:16,210 --> 00:43:14,390
great topic yes it is that is phenomenal

932
00:43:18,250 --> 00:43:16,220
how about Carmen bolta should we try

933
00:43:20,740 --> 00:43:18,260
Carmen balto what who's that gentleman

934
00:43:22,690 --> 00:43:20,750
from Boston you know I'm talking yeah

935
00:43:24,789 --> 00:43:22,700
I'm doing I can't think of his name well

936
00:43:31,690 --> 00:43:24,799
he would be great too yeah whatever his

937
00:43:34,870 --> 00:43:31,700
name is he was on the UFO show two or

938
00:43:37,359 --> 00:43:34,880
three times I can't let's get him on

939
00:43:41,079 --> 00:43:37,369
again my mind going to Swiss cheese I

940
00:43:44,200 --> 00:43:41,089
have to get it des elated Demiurge NYC

941
00:43:48,000 --> 00:43:44,210
says NYX that's a long one experiencer

942
00:43:49,990 --> 00:43:48,010
is a welcoming neutral term alien and

943
00:43:53,260 --> 00:43:50,000
extraterrestrial on the other hand

944
00:43:55,450 --> 00:43:53,270
border on sensationalism for the sake of

945
00:43:57,940 --> 00:43:55,460
sales rather than to move the

946
00:44:02,410 --> 00:43:57,950
conversation and the access to knowledge

947
00:44:05,789 --> 00:44:02,420
forward both of which Lisette does quite

948
00:44:09,339 --> 00:44:05,799
interestingly I also prefer the term

949
00:44:12,690 --> 00:44:09,349
like life in the beyond to describe the

950
00:44:15,940 --> 00:44:12,700
place of experiences experiences rather

951
00:44:18,780 --> 00:44:15,950
rather than the inter life which might

952
00:44:22,299 --> 00:44:18,790
more connote the time place between

953
00:44:24,370 --> 00:44:22,309
incarnations but as Lisette says what a

954
00:44:27,730 --> 00:44:24,380
challenge to describe the indescribable

955
00:44:30,730 --> 00:44:27,740
and what a wealth of experiences she has

956
00:44:33,370 --> 00:44:30,740
to describe these are way more than just

957
00:44:36,190 --> 00:44:33,380
a contact II who may have encountered

958
00:44:39,530 --> 00:44:36,200
and gray alien in the interview Lisette

959
00:44:42,230 --> 00:44:39,540
touches on the vastness of experiences

960
00:44:44,690 --> 00:44:42,240
that appeared to be available in the

961
00:44:47,990 --> 00:44:44,700
beyond should one be able to set aside

962
00:44:51,980 --> 00:44:48,000
one's addiction to one's analytical mind

963
00:44:54,890 --> 00:44:51,990
and opened to this vaster reality which

964
00:44:57,440 --> 00:44:54,900
once embraced and practiced will allow

965
00:45:00,650 --> 00:44:57,450
one to grow through grace not through

966
00:45:03,800 --> 00:45:00,660
karma and wrongdoing but perhaps the

967
00:45:05,240 --> 00:45:03,810
veil of unknowing is a gift for with

968
00:45:08,660 --> 00:45:05,250
great knowledge comes great

969
00:45:10,820 --> 00:45:08,670
responsibility or as the information in

970
00:45:16,340 --> 00:45:10,830
the Edgar Cayce readings puts it

971
00:45:18,440 --> 00:45:16,350
knowledge not lived is the only sin very

972
00:45:21,590 --> 00:45:18,450
fascinating interview and then he

973
00:45:24,080 --> 00:45:21,600
follows up by saying I understand that

974
00:45:26,720 --> 00:45:24,090
some people are overwhelmed by their

975
00:45:30,020 --> 00:45:26,730
experience and need support or

976
00:45:32,360 --> 00:45:30,030
validation it is wonderful that this is

977
00:45:35,540 --> 00:45:32,370
now more and more available to them

978
00:45:38,390 --> 00:45:35,550
however personally I would appreciating

979
00:45:41,840 --> 00:45:38,400
knowing what the benefit is what the

980
00:45:45,050 --> 00:45:41,850
practical use is from the experience in

981
00:45:48,260 --> 00:45:45,060
quotes the alien experience with meaning

982
00:45:50,780 --> 00:45:48,270
here well the circumstances of the

983
00:45:53,870 --> 00:45:50,790
abduction experience is somewhat

984
00:45:56,540 --> 00:45:53,880
interesting to be told that a download

985
00:45:59,510 --> 00:45:56,550
of information occurs and not told what

986
00:46:02,690 --> 00:45:59,520
that information is is disappointing at

987
00:46:06,230 --> 00:46:02,700
this point in time our evolution as a

988
00:46:08,960 --> 00:46:06,240
species do we really care what color the

989
00:46:12,680 --> 00:46:08,970
craft is how many minutes did or didn't

990
00:46:16,100 --> 00:46:12,690
pass what do we really get from all of

991
00:46:18,680 --> 00:46:16,110
this what that we are not alone that

992
00:46:21,440 --> 00:46:18,690
life exists beyond that we are supposed

993
00:46:24,770 --> 00:46:21,450
to be nice to each other although I have

994
00:46:27,020 --> 00:46:24,780
myself experienced the in beyond while

995
00:46:29,330 --> 00:46:27,030
the experiences were extraordinary and

996
00:46:31,880 --> 00:46:29,340
entertaining I still get up and I have

997
00:46:34,970 --> 00:46:31,890
to go to work is it time for information

998
00:46:37,700 --> 00:46:34,980
to be provided that actually solves some

999
00:46:40,070 --> 00:46:37,710
of our serious problems and not just

1000
00:46:45,430 --> 00:46:40,080
provides another visualization exercise

1001
00:46:51,470 --> 00:46:48,500
yes this is an old buddy of mine from

1002
00:46:51,860 --> 00:46:51,480
the Kate Valentine UFO show I remember

1003
00:46:53,420 --> 00:46:51,870
him

1004
00:46:55,520 --> 00:46:53,430
Oh always

1005
00:46:58,430 --> 00:46:55,530
incredibly great comments and yes it's

1006
00:46:59,960 --> 00:46:58,440
good to see back mr. Freeman really

1007
00:47:02,930 --> 00:46:59,970
really a big hello to you

1008
00:47:04,790 --> 00:47:02,940
so Freeman says I'm not an experiencer

1009
00:47:07,549 --> 00:47:04,800
but I am fascinated with the

1010
00:47:10,160 --> 00:47:07,559
possibilities it struck me that the sets

1011
00:47:12,349 --> 00:47:10,170
descriptions may suggest that

1012
00:47:14,990 --> 00:47:12,359
experiences are like an infant whose

1013
00:47:17,839 --> 00:47:15,000
body and mind are learning to perceive

1014
00:47:19,490 --> 00:47:17,849
and interact with its environment we all

1015
00:47:21,980 --> 00:47:19,500
learn in order to increase our

1016
00:47:25,190 --> 00:47:21,990
efficiency whether we realize it or not

1017
00:47:28,549 --> 00:47:25,200
but to what end what is it that allows

1018
00:47:30,950 --> 00:47:28,559
our mechanical minds to see color have

1019
00:47:34,010 --> 00:47:30,960
our brains and bodies also evolved

1020
00:47:35,630 --> 00:47:34,020
ability is at the quantum level see how

1021
00:47:37,849 --> 00:47:35,640
this whole comes together like she was

1022
00:47:40,400 --> 00:47:37,859
just talking about consciousness like

1023
00:47:42,920 --> 00:47:40,410
the quantum compass' excuse me that

1024
00:47:45,770 --> 00:47:42,930
quantum compass and a robin's eye and a

1025
00:47:47,569 --> 00:47:45,780
Leafs ability to exploit light is there

1026
00:47:50,599 --> 00:47:47,579
any possibility that quantum

1027
00:47:54,109 --> 00:47:50,609
entanglement provides perceptual links

1028
00:47:56,569 --> 00:47:54,119
across space-time suppose reality does

1029
00:47:59,510 --> 00:47:56,579
include an aspect that is paranormal in

1030
00:48:00,980 --> 00:47:59,520
nature what effect would proof have upon

1031
00:48:03,589 --> 00:48:00,990
a society as a whole

1032
00:48:05,750 --> 00:48:03,599
what proportion would ignore it and what

1033
00:48:08,059 --> 00:48:05,760
proportion would embrace it would

1034
00:48:10,640 --> 00:48:08,069
reactions be the same within alien

1035
00:48:13,220 --> 00:48:10,650
societies and upon artificial

1036
00:48:15,500 --> 00:48:13,230
intelligences how would it affect their

1037
00:48:18,589 --> 00:48:15,510
approach to contact an interaction with

1038
00:48:21,109 --> 00:48:18,599
alien races is a physical universe

1039
00:48:24,049 --> 00:48:21,119
finite or does it have the ability to

1040
00:48:26,569 --> 00:48:24,059
absorb the advance of life do we live in

1041
00:48:29,510 --> 00:48:26,579
a multiverse that disperses individuals

1042
00:48:31,910 --> 00:48:29,520
across an infinite realm even though the

1043
00:48:32,390 --> 00:48:31,920
internet provides contact across the

1044
00:48:34,700 --> 00:48:32,400
planet

1045
00:48:37,010 --> 00:48:34,710
it is sometimes surprising how little

1046
00:48:41,000 --> 00:48:37,020
communication takes place in certain

1047
00:48:44,180 --> 00:48:41,010
areas I sometimes wonder if alien worlds

1048
00:48:47,240 --> 00:48:44,190
exist with populations more intent on

1049
00:48:49,730 --> 00:48:47,250
virtual reality games and soap offers

1050
00:48:53,319 --> 00:48:49,740
than outward exploration and discovery

1051
00:48:56,870 --> 00:48:53,329
is the great silence due to apathy or

1052
00:48:59,660 --> 00:48:56,880
infinite possibilities as always a great

1053
00:49:02,809 --> 00:48:59,670
comment for yes he's really great

1054
00:49:04,940 --> 00:49:02,819
he's a consistent comment or two which

1055
00:49:07,359 --> 00:49:04,950
is very nice yes now we're going to go

1056
00:49:10,620 --> 00:49:07,369
on to Roxanne some of you may remember

1057
00:49:13,210 --> 00:49:10,630
Roxann as an experiencer who gave her

1058
00:49:17,230 --> 00:49:13,220
experiences with men in black at the end

1059
00:49:19,809 --> 00:49:17,240
of one of our episodes so Roxanne says

1060
00:49:22,870 --> 00:49:19,819
Lisette sixes are quite similar to mine

1061
00:49:25,809 --> 00:49:22,880
I attributed these states to Kundalini

1062
00:49:28,690 --> 00:49:25,819
and Samadhi I was also under tremendous

1063
00:49:31,239 --> 00:49:28,700
stress when they began one night I went

1064
00:49:34,420 --> 00:49:31,249
to bed with the thought that I would not

1065
00:49:37,450 --> 00:49:34,430
get up again unless I received some sort

1066
00:49:38,079 --> 00:49:37,460
of answer did God exist or was it all

1067
00:49:41,259 --> 00:49:38,089
meaningless

1068
00:49:44,559 --> 00:49:41,269
I think that sense of surrender is what

1069
00:49:46,930 --> 00:49:44,569
sets these experiences off along with

1070
00:49:49,660 --> 00:49:46,940
the intentionally asking for help

1071
00:49:52,989 --> 00:49:49,670
perhaps these beings whatever they are

1072
00:49:55,450 --> 00:49:52,999
can't help unless we ask them my

1073
00:49:56,890 --> 00:49:55,460
experiences drew me to the Monroe

1074
00:49:59,039 --> 00:49:56,900
Institute as well

1075
00:50:02,769 --> 00:49:59,049
it was very helpful to meet other

1076
00:50:05,140 --> 00:50:02,779
experiences good word she says she likes

1077
00:50:07,930 --> 00:50:05,150
the word experiences no one seemed to

1078
00:50:11,079 --> 00:50:07,940
have a real explanation for what the

1079
00:50:13,660 --> 00:50:11,089
beings we met might be each color each

1080
00:50:16,150 --> 00:50:13,670
culture rather describes them according

1081
00:50:19,029 --> 00:50:16,160
to their own mythology Tibetan see

1082
00:50:21,970 --> 00:50:19,039
Buddhist masters Hindu see gods and

1083
00:50:24,549 --> 00:50:21,980
Christians see angels and devils Jung

1084
00:50:27,069 --> 00:50:24,559
felt that there were other parts of our

1085
00:50:30,700 --> 00:50:27,079
subconscious but this was not entirely

1086
00:50:34,239 --> 00:50:30,710
true he relied on his guide Philemon

1087
00:50:36,339 --> 00:50:34,249
for advice there are some things in the

1088
00:50:38,739 --> 00:50:36,349
psyche I do not produce but which

1089
00:50:41,650 --> 00:50:38,749
produce themselves and have their own

1090
00:50:44,140 --> 00:50:41,660
life that was quote she gave from Jung

1091
00:50:46,420 --> 00:50:44,150
she further more says that I have

1092
00:50:49,089 --> 00:50:46,430
encountered beings who seen beyond

1093
00:50:51,910 --> 00:50:49,099
anything we consider human they did not

1094
00:50:54,489 --> 00:50:51,920
fit in any category of supernatural

1095
00:50:56,200 --> 00:50:54,499
being I was familiar with I had the

1096
00:50:59,259 --> 00:50:56,210
impression that although they were

1097
00:51:01,390 --> 00:50:59,269
basically benign they could injure us by

1098
00:51:03,940 --> 00:51:01,400
their sheer power if one bumped into

1099
00:51:06,220 --> 00:51:03,950
them unintentionally sort of like

1100
00:51:09,009 --> 00:51:06,230
bumping into a strong electrical field

1101
00:51:12,039 --> 00:51:09,019
that could kill you but the electricity

1102
00:51:14,589 --> 00:51:12,049
itself had no intention of harm so

1103
00:51:17,200 --> 00:51:14,599
that's a very nice one this Oh excellent

1104
00:51:19,089 --> 00:51:17,210
how about a Miss grape do you want to

1105
00:51:20,800 --> 00:51:19,099
read what miss grape has to say sure

1106
00:51:23,080 --> 00:51:20,810
miss grape right

1107
00:51:25,000 --> 00:51:23,090
it is quite interesting to consider that

1108
00:51:27,610 --> 00:51:25,010
the beings we may encounter none

1109
00:51:30,430 --> 00:51:27,620
physically may not be pure good or pure

1110
00:51:32,740 --> 00:51:30,440
evil as we may initially think well I

1111
00:51:35,620 --> 00:51:32,750
have not been visited by any entities

1112
00:51:38,050 --> 00:51:35,630
I'm aware of I know that in popular

1113
00:51:40,240 --> 00:51:38,060
culture movies and books people are

1114
00:51:43,030 --> 00:51:40,250
often visited by either good spirits

1115
00:51:43,990 --> 00:51:43,040
whose only intention is to help as an A

1116
00:51:46,900 --> 00:51:44,000
Christmas Story

1117
00:51:49,240 --> 00:51:46,910
or bad spirits who only want to hurt as

1118
00:51:51,670 --> 00:51:49,250
in most horror movies yet if these

1119
00:51:53,470 --> 00:51:51,680
entities are anything like humans it

1120
00:51:56,350 --> 00:51:53,480
would make sense that they have a whole

1121
00:51:58,930 --> 00:51:56,360
scale of different values and intentions

1122
00:52:01,480 --> 00:51:58,940
for contacting us perhaps some just

1123
00:52:04,150 --> 00:52:01,490
accidentally bump into us just as we

1124
00:52:06,220 --> 00:52:04,160
might on a crowded city street with no

1125
00:52:06,640 --> 00:52:06,230
intention of sending an important

1126
00:52:09,850 --> 00:52:06,650
message

1127
00:52:12,580 --> 00:52:09,860
I wonder if this inferred duality maybe

1128
00:52:15,550 --> 00:52:12,590
the advent of monotheistic religions

1129
00:52:16,060 --> 00:52:15,560
with God being pure good and Satan pure

1130
00:52:18,940 --> 00:52:16,070
evil

1131
00:52:20,910 --> 00:52:18,950
I know pagan religions have gods and

1132
00:52:24,370 --> 00:52:20,920
goddesses with more human-like traits

1133
00:52:26,980 --> 00:52:24,380
they can be both good and bad and very

1134
00:52:30,430 --> 00:52:26,990
emotional truth good good good good

1135
00:52:31,650 --> 00:52:30,440
thing a good comment from this great

1136
00:52:37,920 --> 00:52:31,660
mm-hmm

1137
00:52:40,930 --> 00:52:37,930
this is perhaps more amusing on

1138
00:52:43,270 --> 00:52:40,940
synchronicity and the number three than

1139
00:52:45,940 --> 00:52:43,280
a comment on your interview with Lisette

1140
00:52:49,390 --> 00:52:45,950
Larkin's though you are giving away

1141
00:52:51,670 --> 00:52:49,400
three books so who knows anyway the

1142
00:52:53,860 --> 00:52:51,680
horse farm where I work and keep my

1143
00:52:57,700 --> 00:52:53,870
horse is owned by two friends of mine

1144
00:53:00,130 --> 00:52:57,710
one of whom is very interested in the

1145
00:53:02,350 --> 00:53:00,140
afterlife having gone to a number of

1146
00:53:05,800 --> 00:53:02,360
readings with John Edwards and others

1147
00:53:09,930 --> 00:53:05,810
and yes I am happy to say she's had both

1148
00:53:13,570 --> 00:53:09,940
dogs and horses come through to her oh I

1149
00:53:15,760 --> 00:53:13,580
see the dogs and horses who were under

1150
00:53:18,310 --> 00:53:15,770
her care came through on her last week

1151
00:53:20,710 --> 00:53:18,320
within the space of five days I had to

1152
00:53:24,250 --> 00:53:20,720
put one I had to put to sleep one of my

1153
00:53:26,860 --> 00:53:24,260
cats Oscar this same friend had to put

1154
00:53:29,470 --> 00:53:26,870
to sleep her cat Pookie and in between

1155
00:53:33,430 --> 00:53:29,480
we had to put down her beloved wonderful

1156
00:53:34,349 --> 00:53:33,440
old horse Aussie at 32 a good age for

1157
00:53:37,949 --> 00:53:34,359
any

1158
00:53:42,569 --> 00:53:37,959
much less off the track thoroughbred

1159
00:53:45,569 --> 00:53:42,579
Aussie was truly king of the farm and we

1160
00:53:47,640 --> 00:53:45,579
all loved and doted on him a few days

1161
00:53:50,640 --> 00:53:47,650
later my friend and I were talking about

1162
00:53:53,429 --> 00:53:50,650
our three losses and she explained the

1163
00:53:55,919 --> 00:53:53,439
concept of soul groups which was both

1164
00:53:59,039 --> 00:53:55,929
very interesting and very comforting the

1165
00:54:01,439 --> 00:53:59,049
next day when I looked in my horse when

1166
00:54:03,599 --> 00:54:01,449
my horses water trough to see if it

1167
00:54:06,749 --> 00:54:03,609
needed to be filled much to my horror I

1168
00:54:09,239 --> 00:54:06,759
saw three young birds floating in it

1169
00:54:14,189 --> 00:54:09,249
barely alive I have never had any luck

1170
00:54:16,739 --> 00:54:14,199
in saving birds my mother yes me no but

1171
00:54:19,319 --> 00:54:16,749
I couldn't just leave them they were in

1172
00:54:22,410 --> 00:54:19,329
full-blown shock when i scooped them out

1173
00:54:24,809 --> 00:54:22,420
ice-cold shaking like crazy and totally

1174
00:54:27,449 --> 00:54:24,819
limp I put them in a bucket full of

1175
00:54:30,269 --> 00:54:27,459
paper towels and put them in my car to

1176
00:54:33,179 --> 00:54:30,279
warm up 15 minutes later I took the

1177
00:54:35,759 --> 00:54:33,189
bucket out to see if they were dead yet

1178
00:54:38,249 --> 00:54:35,769
absolute shock and joy doesn't begin to

1179
00:54:41,279 --> 00:54:38,259
describe my feelings when I moved the

1180
00:54:44,390 --> 00:54:41,289
paper towels and all three birds burst

1181
00:54:47,819 --> 00:54:44,400
out and flew away practically fine and

1182
00:54:51,029 --> 00:54:47,829
chirping all the way to the nearest tree

1183
00:54:54,179 --> 00:54:51,039
a hundred feet away was it Oscar Aussie

1184
00:54:57,479 --> 00:54:54,189
and pokey I don't know but it was

1185
00:55:00,749 --> 00:54:57,489
definitely very eerie oh and by the way

1186
00:55:03,599 --> 00:55:00,759
this horse farm is in Montgomery New

1187
00:55:05,160 --> 00:55:03,609
York just a couple of miles from you

1188
00:55:07,620 --> 00:55:05,170
guessed it pine bush

1189
00:55:10,799 --> 00:55:07,630
Oh pine bush well you want to say what

1190
00:55:13,169 --> 00:55:10,809
pine bush Wow sure it's uh it's a used

1191
00:55:15,239 --> 00:55:13,179
to be a very hot spot for UFO sightings

1192
00:55:16,650 --> 00:55:15,249
and to some extent I think it continues

1193
00:55:19,919 --> 00:55:16,660
to be that way

1194
00:55:22,459 --> 00:55:19,929
Plus Pine Bush is the site of a yearly

1195
00:55:24,599 --> 00:55:22,469
and/or an annual get-together of

1196
00:55:27,239 --> 00:55:24,609
ufologist and people who are just sort

1197
00:55:29,400 --> 00:55:27,249
of it's it's not so much serious as it

1198
00:55:31,439 --> 00:55:29,410
is fun but a family fun day and then at

1199
00:55:32,849 --> 00:55:31,449
night they have serious lectures yeah

1200
00:55:35,059 --> 00:55:32,859
and I think it's a good thing for a

1201
00:55:37,229 --> 00:55:35,069
family fun day because it allows people

1202
00:55:39,660 --> 00:55:37,239
you know sometimes if you say you're

1203
00:55:41,489 --> 00:55:39,670
interested in UFOs you get the look from

1204
00:55:43,199 --> 00:55:41,499
your friends but if you go there because

1205
00:55:45,929 --> 00:55:43,209
you are interested but you could say now

1206
00:55:48,150 --> 00:55:45,939
I'm just going for the fun and all that

1207
00:55:49,410 --> 00:55:48,160
stuff I think it gives them

1208
00:55:50,940 --> 00:55:49,420
excuse to go there and get some

1209
00:55:54,029 --> 00:55:50,950
information so I think it's a wonderful

1210
00:55:56,760 --> 00:55:54,039
thing in Pine Bush but it would figure

1211
00:55:59,039 --> 00:55:56,770
that and also I think I forget the

1212
00:56:02,730 --> 00:55:59,049
lady's name now she and unfortunately

1213
00:56:05,880 --> 00:56:02,740
she passed away due to cancer but she

1214
00:56:09,620 --> 00:56:05,890
had some very strange experiences by

1215
00:56:12,420 --> 00:56:09,630
Bush with balls of energy coming out and

1216
00:56:15,870 --> 00:56:12,430
and I think it sort of stopped with her

1217
00:56:18,690 --> 00:56:15,880
le crystal crystal yeah crystal what's

1218
00:56:21,150 --> 00:56:18,700
the name yeah but anyway but Pine Bush

1219
00:56:23,370 --> 00:56:21,160
is certainly the site of a lot of

1220
00:56:26,190 --> 00:56:23,380
strange goings-on do you want to read

1221
00:56:28,950 --> 00:56:26,200
George's a comment sure happy George cap

1222
00:56:31,230 --> 00:56:28,960
says and George your podcast with

1223
00:56:33,599 --> 00:56:31,240
Lucette Larkin I have a buddy that I'll

1224
00:56:35,520 --> 00:56:33,609
share this with he was abducted which

1225
00:56:38,039 --> 00:56:35,530
was very painful and this will help him

1226
00:56:39,809 --> 00:56:38,049
know he's not alone again that's the

1227
00:56:42,329 --> 00:56:39,819
whole thing with Pine Bush too that they

1228
00:56:45,029 --> 00:56:42,339
aren't exactly many of his friends have

1229
00:56:47,670 --> 00:56:45,039
left him and given him that crazy label

1230
00:56:49,380 --> 00:56:47,680
I'm sure to that there's a lot of people

1231
00:56:52,170 --> 00:56:49,390
out there that haven't shared their

1232
00:56:54,750 --> 00:56:52,180
experiences of course because of getting

1233
00:56:57,450 --> 00:56:54,760
labeled Lissette I'm glad you eventually

1234
00:56:59,880 --> 00:56:57,460
received custody of your child what a

1235
00:57:03,599 --> 00:56:59,890
wild ride it must have been for him to

1236
00:57:08,670 --> 00:57:03,609
love and kisses to all George camp okay

1237
00:57:12,049 --> 00:57:08,680
we have one final message here one final

1238
00:57:15,089 --> 00:57:12,059
thing that I want to read which isn't

1239
00:57:19,260 --> 00:57:15,099
actually eligible to be entered into the

1240
00:57:21,150 --> 00:57:19,270
contest because it was a comment on the

1241
00:57:24,329 --> 00:57:21,160
Russell Targ interview and I think it's

1242
00:57:27,150 --> 00:57:24,339
really very interesting about the month

1243
00:57:32,849 --> 00:57:27,160
and a half ago we interviewed the very

1244
00:57:38,010 --> 00:57:32,859
famous of scientists and sociologists

1245
00:57:43,829 --> 00:57:38,020
well no he wasn't a scientist part sir

1246
00:57:45,990 --> 00:57:43,839
who is a laser physicist and worked on

1247
00:57:48,870 --> 00:57:46,000
the remote viewing project right so

1248
00:57:50,940 --> 00:57:48,880
Bobby had a very nice comment and he

1249
00:57:53,010 --> 00:57:50,950
said thank you always enjoy hearing

1250
00:57:56,190 --> 00:57:53,020
Russell Targ interviewed like the

1251
00:57:59,579 --> 00:57:56,200
interviewers here I was curious about

1252
00:58:02,150 --> 00:57:59,589
the reported adherence to Scientology of

1253
00:58:05,030 --> 00:58:02,160
some of those in the remote viewing

1254
00:58:08,720 --> 00:58:05,040
program at SSRI Stanford Research

1255
00:58:11,090 --> 00:58:08,730
Institute the psychics Pat price and

1256
00:58:13,540 --> 00:58:11,100
Ingo Swann were both practicing

1257
00:58:16,390 --> 00:58:13,550
psychologists as was Hal put off

1258
00:58:19,070 --> 00:58:16,400
director of the program I'm no fan of

1259
00:58:21,740 --> 00:58:19,080
Scientology and view it as an evil

1260
00:58:23,930 --> 00:58:21,750
abusive cult but wondered about the

1261
00:58:27,200 --> 00:58:23,940
Scientology connection to the

1262
00:58:29,030 --> 00:58:27,210
above-named SR I people Targ also

1263
00:58:31,730 --> 00:58:29,040
commented on the topic on a

1264
00:58:35,060 --> 00:58:31,740
coast-to-coast radio interview on July

1265
00:58:39,170 --> 00:58:35,070
5th 2016 which I've carefully described

1266
00:58:41,390 --> 00:58:39,180
this transcribed from the Todd quote is

1267
00:58:44,030 --> 00:58:41,400
thus I was never involved with

1268
00:58:47,480 --> 00:58:44,040
Scientology so what I'm telling you is

1269
00:58:49,850 --> 00:58:47,490
through hearsay but what I understand is

1270
00:58:51,920 --> 00:58:49,860
that the upper echelon of Scientology

1271
00:58:54,740 --> 00:58:51,930
they teach something like remote viewing

1272
00:58:56,930 --> 00:58:54,750
to go from one grade to another grade

1273
00:58:59,480 --> 00:58:56,940
and people were able to learn remote

1274
00:59:02,030 --> 00:58:59,490
viewing and it's not a secret that our

1275
00:59:04,540 --> 00:59:02,040
two very best remote viewers Ingo Swann

1276
00:59:07,790 --> 00:59:04,550
and Pat price were both high-level

1277
00:59:10,490 --> 00:59:07,800
Scientologists and they attributed their

1278
00:59:14,390 --> 00:59:10,500
ability to innate ability because they

1279
00:59:16,310 --> 00:59:14,400
had psychic experiences as a child but

1280
00:59:19,370 --> 00:59:16,320
learning a remote viewing is a part of

1281
00:59:21,770 --> 00:59:19,380
moving up the various grades and into

1282
00:59:24,050 --> 00:59:21,780
the upper echelon of Scientology that

1283
00:59:27,080 --> 00:59:24,060
was what Russell Targ said now back to

1284
00:59:29,630 --> 00:59:27,090
Bobbie togs meaning may not be a hundred

1285
00:59:31,970 --> 00:59:29,640
percent clear in the above quote but he

1286
00:59:35,390 --> 00:59:31,980
seems to be suggesting Scientology's

1287
00:59:37,580 --> 00:59:35,400
teachings on remote viewing I believe

1288
00:59:40,940 --> 00:59:37,590
the term used in Scientology is

1289
00:59:43,580 --> 00:59:40,950
exteriorization may actually have helped

1290
00:59:45,680 --> 00:59:43,590
price and Swann develop their psychic

1291
00:59:48,380 --> 00:59:45,690
abilities they already had some

1292
00:59:51,500 --> 00:59:48,390
experience with prior to in their

1293
00:59:54,710 --> 00:59:51,510
Scientology involvement so that's quite

1294
00:59:58,700 --> 00:59:54,720
a fascinating comment from Bobbie but

1295
01:00:02,060 --> 00:59:58,710
now it turns out that we have actually

1296
01:00:05,330 --> 01:00:02,070
four winners instead of three winners of

1297
01:00:07,700 --> 01:00:05,340
our of our contest

1298
01:00:10,750 --> 01:00:07,710
would you like to announce them oh no no

1299
01:00:13,520 --> 01:00:10,760
no I'll do the drumroll

1300
01:00:15,650 --> 01:00:13,530
I guess it's Robert trumpet okay that's

1301
01:00:19,520 --> 01:00:15,660
the same thing the first winner is

1302
01:00:23,809 --> 01:00:19,530
the urge NYC the second winner is

1303
01:00:27,079 --> 01:00:23,819
Freeman Freeman the third winner is

1304
01:00:30,220 --> 01:00:27,089
Roxanne hey Roxanne and the fourth

1305
01:00:32,839 --> 01:00:30,230
winner is Dee Danzo yeah

1306
01:00:36,559 --> 01:00:32,849
but thank you everybody thank you for

1307
01:00:38,779 --> 01:00:36,569
for every comment your comments were

1308
01:00:40,940 --> 01:00:38,789
great we appreciate them keep them

1309
01:00:44,930 --> 01:00:40,950
coming in keep listening to shattered

1310
01:00:48,380 --> 01:00:44,940
reality podcast yeah and so until next

1311
01:00:51,319 --> 01:00:48,390
week or next time this is fuchsia and

1312
01:00:56,610 --> 01:00:51,329
this is Kate Valentine saying goodnight